AXSChat Podcast with Alexa Child, Jacqueline Child co-founders of Dateability

Alexa Child, co-founder of Dateability, graduated from Georgetown Law in 2015 and currently works as a public interest attorney. Through witnessing her sister’s experience with disability, Alexa has become an advocate and ally for the disability community. She is passionate about social justice, enjoys TV and film, and loves all things Halloween.  

Jacqueline Child, co-founder of Dateability, has turned her experience with disability and chronic illness into a new venture. She created Dateability with her sister after years of discouraging ableist experiences on the mainstream dating apps. When she isn’t managing her health, Jacqueline enjoys playing the guitar, reading, and volunteering at the local animal shelter. 

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This is a draft transcript produced live at the event and corrected for spelling and basic errors. It is not a commercial transcript. AXSCHAT Jacqueline and Alexa Child

NEIL: 0:08

Hello and welcome to Axschat. I am very excited to introduce Jacqueline and Alexa Child today. They are from Dateability, not because I'm excited to be dating. But it's a topic that I think really impacts a lot of people. Everybody can relate to the need for love and the need for partnership and, so, it's something that is a really human need and that has been addressed here. So, welcome to the show. Welcome, Jacqueline and welcome, Alexa, Jacqueline you're on my left and waving and you're with the plait or braid, depending on which side of the Atlantic you're on. So, got that done. Can you tell me a little bit about yourselves and how you came to be interested in creating a dating app that's not Tinder or something, you know equally salacious or seedy. And, that really is focused on the disability community. What drove you to make a start up in this space?

JACQUELINE: 1:20

Hi everyone, I'm Jacqueline, and I am 28 and we are sisters and we live in Denver, Colorado and I'm a disabled woman. I became disabled due to chronic illness as a teenager and I really, you know, I really started to experience discrimination and ableism in the dating space, particularly once I graduated college. I was rejected a lot. I struggled with disclosing my disability. At any point of any mention of disability or chronic illness I'd either get rejected, people would say really offensive comments to me or they would just ghost me and say that they are not interested anymore. And so, after years after of going through this, we started Dateability and you can take away.

ALEXA: 2:18

Yes, I'm Alexa. Thank you for having us. I'm going to be 33, in like four days, so, we'll go with that. I'm Jacqueline's older sister and we live together and I watched her to go through these experiences and then also watching her experience and be more aware of ableism on the dating apps like putting in your profile, when looking for somebody who is quote or quote healthy or who cares about their health and I wondered what does that mean because my sister is chronically ill and disabled as a result but she cares about her health and in fact, she spends of her days at doctors, managing and taking care of her health. So, I really noticed this attitude on the dating apps and watched what she was going through and it really frustrated me. She is beautiful, kind, smart, compassionate and has so much to give and offer to someone and she's being rejected and treated poorly because of something she can't control. So, when, about October 2021, she made a tough decision to get a feeding tube and I panicked that as to what that would look like for her dating life. You know, I was already kind of panicked bout what that would look like for our lives, you know typically we like to cook together, bake together, go out to dinner and brunch and that was all about to change and I couldn't imagine, how someone who is not familiar with disabilities or views disabilities as a negative would react to that. So, it was at that moment I said we should make our own dating app for people like you and that is when Dateability was born.

NEIL: 3:59

Excellent. So, thank you, that is a great summary and background. And I think that as someone that grew up before the app-lification of dating, it was always fraught with difficulty anyway. I think that as someone that is neuro divergent, you don't necessarily read signals or communicate very well on these things. So, I think that there are challenges for all sort of different disability communities in the whole space of dating. But, I do agree with you that the whole topic of bringing up disability and disclosing becomes really fraught with difficulties when you're trying to find a partner. At the same time, I can just only imagine that if you find it and you find out who your partner's ableist, that is going to be you know a horrible foundation for a relationship. So, having it up front is really important and yes, you're then sort of bringing people that are happy to date you as you, rather than date you for the idealised vision of you in their head. So, on a sort of technical side of things, how do you find people? How do you sort of, is there a sort of process for signing up? Do you, you know, say you must be disabled and therefore or is it a case of actually anyone can join as long as they are happy to be in a relationship with someone that identifies as being disabled?

ALEXA: 6:01

Yes, that's a good question and the way you say if you hide it and then it turns out that your partner is ableist, that's kind of the added thing I took, when comforting Jacqueline. So, when these things would happen I would say, well good riddance because our health is ever evolving and you don't want to be with someone that views disability or chronic illness like that because if something gets worse, even if you were not chronically ill today, they might not be with you for the long hall. I always say, that's not somebody you want in your life. And on that note, so, for Dateability we are open to everyone. We encourage everyone to join. Able bodied, nondisabled. We do believe it's a really good way to weed out the ableist because they are not going to join an app that is predominantly disabled users. But for those, like me who has a sibling who is disabled or somebody who has a parent or a best friend, you know they don't view it as a negative and they're happy to sign up and look for love on our platform. And so, we are also open to all sorts of disability. So, intellectual, psychiatric, physical, you know, we want that diversity. We don't believe that one person with a disability has to date another person with the exact same disability. Where is the fun in that and so, we want that diversity and inclusiveness. That's really important to us. And then, I can take about the signing up process. It does function so much like Tiner or Hinge or Bumble. We wanted it to be a sophisticated fun app for this community. Attempts have been made before and the tech is shotty. It crashes, it's not good. Like so many other things for this community, it's just subpar. So, we wanted to make it look and feel like all the other apps, so, when you sign on, you sign on like normal. You enter your bio, pictures, but then what makes us different is that each profile has a section called Dateability Deets. And it's an extensive list of broad terms used to describe somebody. So, a wheelchair user, immune-compromised, neurodivergent, food allergy, no diagnosis, it is completely optional because we want people to feel comfortable sharing what they want to share. But they can check off what describes them. There is a type in option as well. And it shows up on their profile under basic information, because at the end of the day, one's disability or chronic illness is just a fact about them. It's not their whole identity. But it's something that is a part of them and we think that this reduces the anxiety that when they feel when having to disclose, it makes our users feel seen because we see them and what they are going through and it also neutralises and destigmatises disability by putting it under the basic information no shame, nothing to hide, here it is.

DEBRA: 8:50

Well, I'm very impressed with what I see that you are doing. So, thank you both for being on the show. And I know this is a new venture for you, but you already have, you were telling me, you already have three thousand people signed up, which is impressive and it's also a very complicated topic. And we had talked about this a little bit the other day and you are bringing up the word identity. And it's also interesting, I know we use the word ableism a lot in the States I don't see that used as much in other countries and I understand why we are using that wired but at the same time, I fear that word continues to separate us. Because as we breakdown who we are as human beings and I think we have to be deliberate right now. We have to be very deliberate about telling you who we are because those things have been glossed over so much in the world. So, I don't right now, but I usually have on my signature line, she, her, hers. Do I need to tell you I'm a woman? Well, I don't necessarily need to tell you that but I tell you that because I honour the identity efforts that are going on with that part of the world. So, I think this is a very complicated topic and then you take, and you're two, in my estimation, you're two beautiful young women that both, you know have a lot to offer a partner. But, we see people dating at all ages, for goodness sakes, I'm not saying my age anymore, but I'm a mature woman and I'm dating. And it's a weird word to begin with, I think. I mean, you see Neil saying, oh no, I'm not on a dating app, but he doesn't want his wife to come in and smack him over the head. But it's still, it's a such a powerful topic based on the times. It's always been an issue. We see people going, one thing I didn't realise, my sister is dating because she also lost her husband, but I didn't realise for example, that some of these apps like Match.com, 60% are men. They are not as many women on these sites. So, women can go on these dating sites for free because there are more men than woman. I didn't know things like that. So, there are so many dynamics with this and then, of organisation, you're saying Dateability. So, you need to make sure everything you're doing is fully accessible and I know we talked about that the other day and you all made a commitment with that but it's a really big topic that you're taking on. It's a really, really big topic. But I think it's very important topic because I, once again looking at you two women, so, because I can see. I see, you know that Jacqueline is a beautiful dark-haired woman with a beautiful smile, I mean she is stunning, just saying. And then Alexa I look at you and you're also a beautiful woman, but it is of course, there is so much to what I just said with that as well, right because what if I have Down Syndrome, like my beautiful daughter, Sarah Ruh . So, what you're doing is what we're doing at Axschat, what we're doing at Billion Strong, what we are doing at the Valuable 500, what we are trying to do is take these very, very complicated topics and make sure we are included. And I love that you, this is for anyone. And so, if I was a person, which I am looking for a partner and I wanted to really go into a place where people are authentically identifying who they are and their lived experiences. Your lived experience Alexa as somebody that is living with a sister and watching your sister walking, which gives you quite a bit of experience of what it's like to live with a certain type of disability, right? I've those experiences. I, myself and Neil, we both are neurodiverse. We have those lived experiences. You know, how can we try to encourage more people to really appreciate all the different pieces of who we are? You know, Alexa, you have a beautiful, amazing sister that has been dealing with chronic health issues and dealing with society rejecting her through something that is not her fault at all. What has that lived experience taught you and why is that so important. And then back to Jacqueline, how do you, I'm just trying to get the audience to think about the complexity of these topics. And so, let me turn it over to you two because I know we have already had some of these conversations. But it's a pretty big deal that you're taking on and why would you even try to do it right now?

ALEXA: 13:41

Yes, I mean, you're right, my lived experience is different than the lived experience of most of my friends who do not have a disabled or a chronically ill sister. I think, going through these experiences with Jacqueline has made me a much more compassionate and understanding person. I'm less quick to judge on especially on surface level things. Like I said, I notice things on dating apps, props that people put on their profiles that I probably would not have noticed, if it wasn't for Jacqueline, just the attitudes towards health and being healthy and you know, I also have learned to not take my health, my current state of health for granted. I know, Jacqueline wasn't born disabled and it came about from a bad bout of mono. So, I know that anything can change at any second. And so, to really appreciate where I'm at today and also have compassion for those who are in the disability community because it's really the only minority that anybody can be a part of, at any minute. You know, so, it's different from race and ethnicity when you're born a certain way through ethnicity and you're not going to switch or join that one group. But disability is different. We can be a part of that community and that minority, which is the largest minority, at any time. And so, I am always very aware of that and just try to treat people with kindness and I wish other people, who are not part of the community understood that as well because maybe if they understood that, they would be more accepting and wouldn't look at it as a negative, because when they join that community, they are not going to want to see themselves as a negative or as broken. So, I wish they wouldn't treat others like that.

JACQUELINE: 15:26

Yes. I think that our experiences are very unique. She has spent so much time with me that she does see a lot more than the average person would see, who is not disabled. But identity is really important and this conversation. I think a lot of people are really nervous to identify as disabled or they see the word disabled as an insult and so, they are afraid to ask someone if they have a disability and it's just so important, if we can neutralise that conversation and just say something, have it be neutral and have it be a fact and not be ashamed about it. And it's a lot easier said than done because there are so many factors that go into why we are so ashamed of disability and why we could be embarrassed of it and a lot of it stems from society and how they have perceived us for so long. And you know, their efforts, we are always the last to be included in everything. We have made, you know, there is a lot of talk around sexuality and racism and we have Black Lives Matters protests and Pride and those are amazing and we need to continue to do that. But we also need to remember that disabilities are the largest minority and that there is so much intersectionality, you know. There is are people who are gay, who are disabled and then there is trans disabled people and we need to just come together and put that same energy that we are putting towards fighting of all these other horrible things into fighting for equality and equity for disabled people and make these things accessible because ultimately that is a huge barrier in coming together as a society. Things just aren't accessible for so many disabled people and we need to really up our efforts and make things more inclusive.

DEBRA: 17:37

I agree. And I just want to state because I know that Antonio has a question but Alexa had mentioned this, I think or Jacqueline you might have mentioned it but maybe it was Alexa. But, the reality is, when you look at out 1.3 to 1.7 billion people with disabilities. At least 75 85% of those individuals were not born with that disability. They acquired that disability and so, people like my daughter, I guess people like Neil and myself, we were born with neurodiverse, I thought that was funny, okay. My daughter was born with an extra chromosome but my husband, he was hit by a car as a child he acquired a traumatic brain injury which, and so, I just think I just also want to point out that sadly, part of reason why I think we are having such identity problems is that meeting people that acquire a disability or are born with a disability, if we can hit it remember about 80% are invisible or have a hidden disabilities. So, people don't want to identify because they themselves see us, you know because society puts such unnecessary pressures on us, but let me turn it over to Antonio?

ANTONIO: 18:49

What I want to talk about is the fact that many existing apps that we know today that you know, claim to improve people in terms of relationships and you know, and they are they don't really have a great reputation between people with disabilities and people with different groups. So, my question to you is how you build a system that people can trust and people feel confident in joining in making sure that somebody is not going to bully them for no reason?

JACQUELINE: 19:27

Yes, that's a really important part of this whole process and I think we are doing it really well. We are making a brand presence for ourselves. We are going on talks like this, various Podcasts, Press and putting our faces out there so that people know that there are actually two people behind this who care so much and they're so dedicated by making this the app. Of course, there is always obstacles that can come in and you know makes things a little more difficult for us. But we are always the ones tackling those obstacles and you know, responding to every email that which get. Every customer support request that we get and we are also taking that feedback that we get from our user base and making the app a better place. We know that no App is perfect and Dateability is not perfect either. But if we are trying and we are you putting in the effort to make it the best app that we deserve, I think that makes a huge difference. You know, we are also free. So, we don't expect people to shell out $10 a month or $35 a month like the mainstream apps and not sign up for something that they don't know what they are getting and we think that's a great way to build trust. We want our product out there. We want to give this community something, that's our base priority. We are not here to make billions of dollars. We are here to really change the world.

NEIL: 21:05

Okay. And that's great to here. I mean, I've got a quick question about your funding model and your sustainability model. If you're free are you add funded or you backed in some other way?

ALEXA: 21:19

Yes, so while Jacqueline says, we are not here to make billions of dollars, of course it is a business and eventually we would like to turn a profit. So, right now we are free and we're pre revenue, so we're not making any money from Dateability and Dateability itself is not making any money. Soon we will be implementing adds and we want the adds to be for products and services that the disability and chronically ill community can actually use. We don't want it to be for something random. We really want to support and lift up other brands that are dedicated to accessibility. So, we'll begin implementing adds and gaining revenue from that. And then we will be implementing a subscription model eventually. There will always be a free version. So, it will always be free for those who want it or can't afford to pay the subscription, but we will be adding a subscription model with added features and benefits. We will want to keep the cost low at about $10 a month. We do want it to be accessible always and frankly, that's something that prevents me from, in the past paying for the other apps because they are $35 or $45 a month and that's a lot, if it was $10, okay maybe that is different. But $45, I don't know, but so we'll keep those costs low and we will be implementing that as well.

NEIL: 22:38

Excellent. So, that was one thing, I think you say you got three thousand users already which you know, as a starting point, is pretty reasonable. And success story so far in terms of people meeting it up with their lives, because obviously that it's nice to you know be on a dating sight, but the purpose is obviously to match people up with people that have shared values and that you know, beyond attraction right because it's not just about attraction. I think a lot of dating apps are just about the look of people, you know. It's like, oh swipe, swipe, swipe from what I've read, obviously rather than the more cerebral which is when you're finding a nice partner. I think you want someone, where there is a connection, at a deeper level than just a physical attraction. So, are you able to demonstrate that or?

JACQUELINE: 23:48

Yes, so people have been you know going on dates and finding a partner we know of one couple who started dating, unfortunately the relationship didn't end up going anywhere, it wasn't the right time. But, it's so exciting to hear that within four months of launching, we have had a couple come out of Dateability. I know, I spent over five years on the dating apps and could never find a boyfriend. So, four months on a brand-new dating app, it's amazing we are so excited for our first Dateability wedding. We want an invite to that wedding. But you know, that's the best part, is just hearing that people are meeting, people just simply talking to others, finding that community and that connection. And I think sometimes being chronically ill or disabled is very isolating and no one, you know understand you, you feel like you're alone in this world and just having this place where there are likeminded people and of course, no two people will share the exact same experience. But there are similarities and you can vent and not feel judged. So, we are really excited to see all of the couples that come out of Dateability and we are growing every week. And so, it's really looking good for our users.

ALEXA: 25:18

Yes, over 13 thousand messages have been exchanged on the app, so far which is incredible. And I've also heard from people who because they are disabled, they kind of shut off the idea of dating until Dateability came to be. And they're like, I've done so much thinking and evaluating about what I want in a partner. So, even if they're not meeting someone right away, the fact it is now a possibility and they're thinking about that and having those conversations within themselves and among their friends is also, you know wonderful to hear because everyone deserves love and that's what we want to give this community. And then eventually we would also like to add a friendship feature and so that people who just want to have platonic friendships whether they are in romantic relationships or just not interested in that, they can go on and really foster these relationships and find companionship on Dateability.

DEBRA: 26:09

Jacqueline and Alexa, I am fascinated with and obviously, I'm fascinated with this because it ties to identity and I know that you all have been very kind you've agreed to join Billion Strong and do some columns and some, you now, really take on this dating because, this is a very, very, very big topic for everybody but definitely for our community. But at the same time, I'm curious, some of the data that you are starting to collect, you know, understanding privacy and all that stuff. I know you are all very concerned about privacy and security. So, I'm not saying that but I think what is interesting though is what you are doing, you are encouraging people to come out and be who they are. Come out and identify whatever speaks to you about your personality or who you are. You don't very to tell people in every conversation that I have ADHD. Really, at a certain point people don't care. But I'm curious about how we can use that data in the future because you're learning a lot about, can I date and be fully authentic? Now, I'm a woman of a different age, right. So, do I go on a dating app and start because I see a lot of people. I am not on any dating app right now, even though I want to explore Dateability. I want to understand what you all are doing and also, my daughter is very interested in joining. Because she's 35 years old and she wants love in her life. And she is actually a little aggravated with me that I'm dating somebody and she's not because I already was married. So, right the nuances of these conversations are really intense. But, and I know we had also talked a little bit about what when we had our conversation offline about how important it is right now for corporations to understand the work to life balance that people are walking and how, while corporations, don't want to talk about dating apps, it's ridiculous but at the same time humans work for corporations and corporations need to understand all the different variables that we are dealing with in our life, including dating can be very, very stressful and can impact our performance at work and blah, blah, blah. So, I think looking for opportunities to bring more of these conversations into the workforce in a more meaningful way, you know, you know so many people meet the person that they wind up being with, in the workforce. I know my husband that's passed, that is where I met him. He was a manager and I was dating him and you weren't supposed to do that. But you know, we did. So, I just think there is so many different nuances like that and I am wondering if you thought any about any of those types of nuances about what you're doing?

JACQUELINE: 29:10

Yeah, I think part of the reason why this conversation is such a hot topic is because it's so relatable. And it's relatable to everyone, whether you have a disability or not. Mostly everyone dates at some point in their life and I think mostly everyone also has a rough experience with it, at some point. Dating is hard for everyone. But, we really want it to be fun and it should be fun and it should be easy and putting this chronic illness up front. It can be an obstacle dating and you know, other ways, on the mainstream dating apps. I really struggle do I just tell someone up front that I have a chronic illness and see how they react or do I wait until I trust them a little more. And in the end, it didn't really matter with the people I was talking to, they all saw me as unattractive due to my disabilities. So, it is such an important conversation to weave into all these different parts of life because like you said, it does affect the workforce. Dating, going through break ups or falling in love and being distracted. So, it's such an important conversation to have and we want to also leave accessibility into those conversations as well. Corporations you know, some of them are starting to make efforts to accessibility and, starting to create accessibility innovations and it's long overdue but we are glad that it's happening now and we hope to be a part of those types of conversations about love and dating and that also disability because, from our data, we see that most of our users have a chronic illness and in the United States, there is over 130 billion people with a chronic condition. So, that's a huge number and I think, you know if you're not chronically ill yourself or if you don't have a chronic condition, you know someone who does. It really affects everyone. It effects society as a whole.

NEIL: 31:21

Yes, I think that's a really important point. I also wonder whether or not that room for tips, right? That maybe over time there can be things for relationships advice as well, because you know, how to live with someone that is an annoying as Neil with his at ADHD who is not meaning to be annoying. But you know, wanders through the house opening doors and forgetting to shut them and leaves half-drunk drinks around the place and generally is pretty scatty not that that Debra will do that either. But, you know, how, those things seem quite trivial but they can, you know people have divorced for the way that they squeeze their husband or wife squeeze the toothpaste tube because it's the real thing actually get to people in relationships. So, and likewise in chronic illness, there are going to be certain things that you know, with the right support maybe, the right information people well be less nervous about going into a relationship with someone. Is that something that you have already built into the app or something you might consider at the later date.

ALEXA: 32:46

Yes, we are trying to build our social media presence right now and we would love to have obviously we're not dating experts. We don't have all the answers. I would be patient, be kind and communicate and talk about it. I think when people hold things in, things tend to, it's like a, I'm forgetting the word, anyone know what I'm talking about? But anyway, it ends up festering inside you. A pressure cooker. And, but we really hope that as our platform grows we can have these conversations with dating coaches and experts and relationships experts and get this advice, you know, that's specific to you know, it applies to everybody and specific to the community in our target market and rally help foster those relationships once people get into them. Yes, and I think coming from someone who's disabled. It can be really daunting to go into dating and having to manage your symptoms. It can also be really scary and exhausting to have to explain your symptoms over and over again. So, you know just trying to be open, I think for me it's really scary to be open and to tell someone how I'm actually feeling. So, it's like Alexa said open and communicate and you know, be honest with the person and yourself, if you have limitations and you don't think you can do something. It's so important to actually tell the person. I've been there many times where I know I can't do this particular activity. But I want to either like look cool or you know try to go with the flow. And I end up hurting myself and you know becoming exhausted and having even more symptoms and so, I really strive to be more honest in my limitations and my capabilities and not be embarrassed that I might need accessibility accommodations.

NEIL: 34:46

Okay.

DEBRA: 34:48

It's so powerful what trying to do I would say to the audience. We need to help these women we need to help them and so often, we are not welcoming to people entering our industries and our communities. We need to stand behind this woman. We need to do what we're doing in Axschat. We need to give them a platform and we need to hear what we are saying and join the conversations and I do also want to point this out just because they told me this the other day. But right now, they're in North America. So, in this English, in the United States, they're in Canada and Mexico. They are not in Greenland. Did you all know Greenland is part of North America? Okay, never mind. Learning my book, my geography these days but they do want to expand and they're constantly being asked for people to expand. But I think it's fascinating what they are doing, but we should help them and we should learn from what they are going to learn, what our community is going to tell us. And dating apps are complicated anyway. People are lying out there. They are saying this. That are putting pictures out there that are not of them. There is a lot of ridiculousness going on in society. So, they got their work cut out but what would happen if we got behind them and supported them so, that they could really, really be successful. Neil put in the comment thing. Cat fishing, yes, we have heard about the cat fishing. There are some bad things that happen on these dating apps. But it doesn't necessarily make these dating apps bad. We have to try to do this as human beings. So, I just want to really ask everybody to give them a chance. Please go out there and look at them. If you have constructive criticism. They want to know. But don't just go out there and start attacking them. We are so tired of that. That doesn't help us. That just discourages us. So, we really like everybody to consider everybody going to www.dateability.com and signing up and figuring it out and joining them and helping them and I've said to them, equity, whenever they are in this you know, they are not funded yet and they are not profitable yet. But equity is most expensive thing you can give away in the early stage so, I've reminded them, don't give away the equity, don't give away equity right now. So, I think what I'm saying is we all have to support each other and many you know that we are going to support individuals with disabilities at Billion Strong and we certainly do here at Axschat but I just am sort of nagging and reminding everybody to support what they are doing and help them be successful.

JACQUELINE: 37:20

On that note, just to talk about safety as our top priority and we know that dating apps unfortunately aren't perfect and so social media network or social networking app is perfect. And, we really stress the importance of being safe and knowing your red flags. So, we do have safety tutorials and safety tips on the app. But, you know, it's we are doing the best, we are doing the best way that we can do it. We have report-ins we know go through those reporting profiles and delete anyone that's suspicious and we're implementing a profile verification process that's an optional process but it will give people a little you know, peace of mind to know that there are being cat fished. So, we are really excited about that feature.

ALEXA: 38:14

Yes. And we are doing, you know, we are hoping to do some more research and development into innovations in the future. Technological accessibility and enhancing safety later down the line and I will say one thing, you have a web app version, in addition to a mobile app. You can if you're going to the Google Player app store, it's Dateability and then for the website it's Dateability app, A-P-P dot com.

NEIL: 38:40

Excellent. Yes, because, there is something in Australia as well which need not be something you're confused with.

ALEXA: 38:48

Yes, that's right I wanted to clarify.

NEIL: 38:51

Yes. Excellent. So, thank you very much. It's been a real pleasure finding out what about you're doing and I think it's excellent. Much needed I need to thank our sponsors Amazon and MyClearText for keeping us On Air and captioned and really look forward to what will be a lively discussion on Twitter. Thank you.

JACQUELINE: 39:11

Thank you.

ALEXA: 39:12

So excited. Thank you so much.