AXSChat Podcast with Rene Perkins from CityMaaS

Rene Perkins is a serial entrepreneur dedicated to using technology for the good of society and the environment.
She holds an M.Sc. in Finance and investment, and she is a qualified chartered accountant with E&Y and has 8 years’ investment banking experience with HSBC.
Since 2013, she established two start-ups around sustainable transportation solutions in smart cities.

She is now focusing on CityMaaS, using innovative technology to achieve digital inclusion and inclusive travel for people with disabilities and their friends and families.

She has been invited to speak in a number of big conferences across the globe.
In her spare time, she has numerous volunteering, mentoring and advisory positions across the charity and the start-up world.
She enjoys painting, travelling and is a keen foodie especially when it comes to seafood.
Most importantly she is a mum of two young girls who keep her grounded!

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Debra Ruh: Hello everyone. Welcome to access chat today we're being joined by guest that we've had before. Renee Perkins and

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Debra Ruh: She's with City moss and also Antonio Santos is joining me and Neil Milliken is on holiday with his beautiful life more

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Debra Ruh: beautiful wife Martina so he's not going to join us today. But, Renee. Welcome back to access chat. We're excited to learn, you know how much you've accomplished since last time you were on the show.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Yeah, thank you so much for having me and on again. And I really enjoyed the last time when I spoke to you guys were sitting mouse was a big vision.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: thing this time when, when I come back I like to show you the progress that sits analysis may since then and also some of the products and services that we think that will help the people with disability and their friends, family to live more

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Improve accessible life.

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Debra Ruh: Oh well said. Do you mind just telling the guest in case they didn't see the other episode, tell them who you are and tell them about the program. Let's just reintroduce everybody to you.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Show. So my name is Ronnie and I'm co co founder six MS CC Mars actually was born in 2018 September 2018 summertime, where, you know, we have these visions of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Various different dots joining together, I must say that

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That year was a very sad day of my life and I

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: If you like I have was a sudden a perfectly, if you like, where I lost my second child, and my grandma.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Passed away the same time. And I realized live in the corporate life wasn't really the life I wanted to fulfill when and and I really want to do something that actually means something and and that's where I sit, the mass was born. Then when we witness my mother in law's a foster children's

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Difficulties of get around cities get around places because he's on wheelchairs and there's many kind of lack of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Relevant information for for him and for the carrier, my, my mother in law to be able to plan journeys and and go from A to B example. So we're looking to that difficulties around

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know, getting around cities and getting right informations to be the do that and there's some information there, but not in a very

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Good and scalable way that you know that that can can extend it to anywhere in the global platform.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And that's where we set out divisions of actually to help improve accessible travel that Ben right back then is about making people making it

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Easier for people with disabilities and they carry us to go from A to B. That was a simple vision. But when we're looking to disempower vision but it's in fact it's not so simple. There's so many part that we learn

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Since 2018. It was incredible journey where we learned. Actually, to be able to plan that journey for me to be

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You got to have the right information to be able to Planet and at the right time to plan it

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And with that information at the right time. Right. Place the right time, but in a way that the right form that can be communicated to users and needs it the most.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So we realized. Those are three major obstacle for us to be able to achieve that vision. So we start, you know, starting a lot of research.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: With charities, I do not. Tricia and we are collaborating with Academy universities, research institutes, like we're now universities, universities, sorry, and University of bath is also part of our ecosystem. Now, to provide can technical support as well as research assistance.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So based on our research and and and I'll finding from from those studies that we start to kind of pan out, really, if you want to achieve that simple vision, the beginning we realize

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: We have to solve this problems to actually really seen the real world impact not just travel for me to be but also providing my information.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: At the right time in right form that can be disseminated to the users they needs it the most.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So, so that's where our system is, you know, since 2018 rejoin number integrators including Microsoft API for good.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: We joined. We've been selected for Linda Mae offices business growth program, but they will deliver by Linda and partners. We were selected for investment program by sent a foundry, which is which is Chicago based us Chicago based Investment Program. When I was in the US.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: December time last year.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And we, you know, would be working with University of services for instance of working with actually providing placement opportunities for university students

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: As well as kind of collaborating with professors to use cutting edge to to achieve that visions that where we originally set up to achieve in 2018 and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And since then. Since then, we have been through quite a lot of iterations and I say for our platform which we have gone now gone live in August. And there's many things has happened as well in this during this time between

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: 20 and 2018 to to

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Do now is out to achieve those visions, we need to segregate them.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And then bring them together in the end.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Hence we put we have since then provide

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know, like platform to provide real time accessibility inflation local localized access information a global platform. I

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: In all the major cities will have access to that information on the places of interest based on the individual needs.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: I have to make the data is not perfect yet but actually we got quite a lot of data on mucci accessibility perspective what we like to do to be able to provide visually impaired hearing impaired cognitive impairments.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And I realized that, you know, we all realize it's a complex merger and there's many different degrees of people with disabilities and different type of needs as well. They might be conflicting, but we are doing our very best to to provide that

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Extend the impacts of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Which accessibility vision visioning murdering paper and pen comments and payments.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So,

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Debra Ruh: No, I know Antonia wants to ask your question, but I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead and finish your, your thought and then let's let Antonio, ask your question to, if you don't mind.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Yeah, just to wrap up. So we provide that, you know, access to this information we're probably navigation is not perfect, but actually

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: It has some degrees. I'll help if you like listening to change and less working and things like that for people with disabilities and and carriers.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: We have web accessibility plugins that to help people with different impairments in July with our platform, which was part that I talked about in terms of enabling people's experience digital interactions with the products and services that we have and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: We were also providing white label mobility platform for public bus company in Portugal to

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Enable them to discover to real time bus locations and and help tackling transport poverty in the kind of suburban rural areas.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And in that platform we integrate our code, the technology which is a UX UI manipulations of predicting human Linton, and that was also a part of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Information simulation technologies that we're developing and continue developing and we have a PhD funding to to do for your research on that to to to to to push out as a product on his own story that that was a

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Long, you should actually might remember I was just thinking back in 2008 and what's happened like it's been like more than two years into memory my head for sure.

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Antonio Santos: You have done a lot of research, definitely.

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Antonio Santos: Something that we are we are we observe that there's been a lot of investment and planning on smart cities all over the look. No.

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Antonio Santos: Later discussions are to improve live in cities have improved sustainability.

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Antonio Santos: But sometimes we don't we don't see that conversation driving into direction of making cities more accessible and and considering that we know that in many countries.

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Antonio Santos: aging population is a well known issue for decades is not something. Oh, oh, publishing is aging. We know that's probably since the 60s, 70s.

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Antonio Santos: But probably public bathrooms, not paying attention enough. So what we need to cut down on your research in your experience, what we need to consider today.

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Antonio Santos: When we are looking at this big market, the products. How can we find ways where we don't end up in a trap of creating things that are not accessible.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Yeah, that's a really good question your and your observations of small city project is like the same as mine when I heard smart cities that the next word will be sustainability.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Although sustainability can mean people equality as well, you know, in the UN STG goes to 17 of them actually I think seven out of 17 of them actually mentioned people with disabilities, where they

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Take some other is 1111. Yeah. So, but, you know, there you go. So it's, it's, you know, it's mentioned in contact transportations measuring in the index the quality, the rights and and housing is mentioned in all aspects of basic human

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Rights right but yet again, the kind of small city projects, as I mentioned, you know, efficient efficiency, energy efficient.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know, autonomous vehicles.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know, flying drones delivering goods that those are great stuff to solve the human like more than lives living, that's fantastic needed my think

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Accessibility and still kind of afterthoughts even don't do our campaigns, you know, there are clean.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Business benefits. So putting accessible. It's in the planning stage were building it in so that doesn't cost you more. The government audience to choose more later on to kind of retrofitted sometimes not even possible right

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Whether it's a business with costs and benefits or whether it's physically not possible.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So it is frustrating that even though the aging population, as you mentioned, is known issue. Everybody knows that in some part of your life in my life I've been disabled denied. Just don't know when yet I could be an accident.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Then, you know, I often lost my freedom to move freely and and and all of these things are

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Pointing to the right direction. So awareness of access, but the importance of accessibility.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: But I think for me the obstacles of actually making a more systematic way is

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: If, if it's already addressed by many campaign side, you know, developer 500 people you know people like Carolyn's bringing all the decision makers of those smart city projects, for example, into the pictures of people with disabilities. Now,

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: There was two obstacles in my mind. One is actually wherever they might be aware of this need to do it and and and awareness and to do it. But then there's also obstacles of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Costs And Benefits business case.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know, it's a it's a must. Compared to this nice half kind of a decisions that they they having

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: The conversation during the meetings right to to make those decisions. So it's it's really, it's a for me. I think the more campaigns like valuable five injected into a level of decision making, the more awareness that

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Those

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Accessibility is not after thoughts out there, the higher chance of smart cities can be included as part of, like, you know, I can say this can be included as part of the smart city for sure.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: I wish it could be simpler.

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Debra Ruh: I agree. And you know the when you, when we talk about smart cities.

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Debra Ruh: I, you know, we need to really think about what smart cities mean you know a word that we also have used

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Debra Ruh: Here on access chat is smart communities. But how can you have a smart city if large parts of the population, you know, can't navigate the city properly. And so how can you have a smart city if

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Debra Ruh: We don't have the ability to make sure that the crosswalks have enough time for each of us to get a crossed, you know, or that accessible transportation and all the different things. And I know that you're trying to make sure that people with disabilities know

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Debra Ruh: When a restaurant is accessible. When a business is successful when transportation successful. And if you need accommodations. How'd you get to that.

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Debra Ruh: How have the businesses responded to what you're doing, have been they they've been supportive. Have they been wanting to provide you the information or understand why.

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Debra Ruh: They need the information so that people

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Debra Ruh: Can

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Debra Ruh: You know, you know, give them their business. And I would also be curious about how is coven 19 impacting all the stuff you're doing it seems like your work is more important in during coven

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Debra Ruh: But I'll let you

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Debra Ruh: Tell us if that's true.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Yeah, I know it's a, it's a, it's an interesting question. So I think all the businesses we spoke to in terms of bringing their accessibility information of the

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Of their property of the location of the business into our platform are very supportive. So they you know they they they understand automatically there will be, you know, a sense of agreement. You're right, it needs to be accessible this kind of information is to be out there.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And actually, you know, joining us and and and and putting the effort in in terms of, you know, measuring the Rams or the handles the height and also the kind of bathrooms dimensions of the bathroom accessible bathrooms. They have etc.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: It is

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: It does take a little bit of commitment for them to to be able to provide information and and sometimes some organization not able to carry through some organizations.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: A bit slow or, you know, just going to leave it as it is. So from that perspective, you know that there is, there are responsible organizations that have the tenacity to carry through what they believe in what they're saying, for sure.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: But does a long way to go. I think and I think I think every organization should really be behind what we doing providing voluntary, you know,

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That kind of information for people in our platform able to visit. They are they are businesses and the reasons why the best business. The business because they you know they have money to spend. Right.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: They can go interact with your business right they go go shopping. Your shops and then, you know, timing your restaurants in and have coffee No cafes. I mean, why would you want to. It's just for me. I just mind boggling. It's about, you know, it can a human to

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Debra Ruh: Sometimes they don't know. And then what you're doing is actually bringing them access to a whole new you know client base.

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Debra Ruh: People you use your business. You had mentioned the valuable 500 and we're big supporters of Caroline her birthday, she just had a birthday this week.

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Debra Ruh: And one thing that we've talked about is, you know, it's interesting how competition is such a motivator for businesses. So we noticed that when our sin young and Accenture joined the valuable 500 their competitors. A more interested in this.

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Debra Ruh: And so

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Debra Ruh: I was just wondering if you're using that as you're talking to these businesses.

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Debra Ruh: And letting me know. Well, you're a pizza parlor, but just let you know these other pizza parlors down the street, they've done this. I was just wondering if you've used that. And I know that Antonio has a question. After that, but let me turn it over to you.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That that's a good tactic, but

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: I have honestly not use that tactic before, but I'm I may take the on that for sure. Thank you for the tape.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Another way of goal route about doing that in a more scalable in a short time frame for us is using possible technologies to solve that problem.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So what in our platform as well. Normally we rely on businesses provide that kind of accessibility information of their businesses onto our platform.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: But we also use machine learning to assess the places of interest on the map in terms of their probability of accessible and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And and actually our motto has you know 70% accuracy at the moment. So it's you know it's 70% of what we're saying is accessible, it's, it's a, it's a, it's right.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And compared to kind of power. So we also use crowdsource confirmation as well for my community if the community has missed it visited that

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Places venture saying you know it is accessible. It's not that will continue to helping our, our, our algorithm to predict the web accessibility.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And it's improving to 73% and we're looking to improve to 8% you know ultimately we want to be hundred percent for sure that without relying

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: A lot of a huge amount of effort. Can you imagine that I started by six hours trying to tackle this global problem and trying to get every single business, give me information.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That's almost like you but if I spend 1000 years I might not even achieve that vision right so what, what's this massive vision is grand but yet we want to try to use technology as much as possible to Caray that scalable impact.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: But to answer your questions actually.

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Debra Ruh: Know that was an excellent. That was good. I thought that was a wonderful point because because artificial intelligence, machine learning, it has to learn. So I love that you're using crowdsourcing to increase the efficiency. The efficiency, Antonio, I know you had a question.

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Antonio Santos: So my question goes into into data and quality of data. We know that. And in the past many people try to find ways, let's say, to crowd source.

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Antonio Santos: data integration two topics related with with mobility, but those parties. They were life for a couple of years and then people lost the energy or companies last funding.

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Antonio Santos: So, and not all governments provide that data available on public transport. So I know data is a problem. So, how

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Antonio Santos: What are the issues that you have with that and how are you fighting against that. How can you

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Antonio Santos: Get Data that make your app more reliable. How do you engage with organizations that might have the data somewhere hidden somewhere, without being used. I'll do you actually I'll do for that problem.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Now, that's, that's a great question.

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Antonio Santos: And Tony, what is

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: This such a great questions and and and and you're right, data is taking that data is the currency right now in this modern life where you know more data, the more insights we have, you know, the more helpful to businesses and individuals. Right. And in terms of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You mentioned about charities and projects to crowdsource data right and the quality of data and and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And they run out of steam in a couple years just because there's no funding, they're all like you know this too much, but

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: requires huge amount of effort and resources to be able to ensure the data quality data is is usable greater impact they set out to correct right and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And that's why system is really truly believe we need to have a scalable model, we need to have a sustainable and scalable model to create an impact that the ground visions that we set out to create in 2018

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That you know not only rely on crowdsourcing data or cloud. Cloud confirming data, but also using data whatever data we can improve in using at the moment to to make a prediction.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So there was obviously mutations upon the quality of data in terms of the input and output and the quality, the models to be able to provide that accuracies and you know the right level of predictions for quite an impact.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So we continuously improving that as I mentioned before, or form kind of 70% 73% you know

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Dangerous to be you know as as close to 100% as possible, but nobody can predict certainly even including crowdsource data, right, so the quality of crowd sourced data come like it's not also 100% reliable because

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Because one could report something with lower credibility of profile. If you don't mean there are, you know, multiple kind of

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Elements of the accuracies across all states that can be used. So if you if you kind of sizing up the elements across all states and you know the positive side as well as as past negative side of things to accuracy timeliness, the kind of consistency of the data from the crowds.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Etc. Compared to kind of machine learning prediction data. So we have reports the data that we have.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Our models based on all the data has been confirmed previously and obviously do is that elements of the data that I think a lot of businesses and and technology companies may not pay attention to is the dynamic dynamism of the data is that the timing is the data.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So, you know, today, if the left is our service.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Is tomorrow. Let's have a service on the station. Now it today delivers the is working fine. The station is tomorrow and a service is that that level of, you know, accuracy and quality of data as we after so

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: From you know from kind of travel data perspective in London, we can live rely on Transport for London to to provide us this data so that we can disseminate this data and the blue time manner as soon as they say.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: No, the lifting in ensuring process. I was out of service, then that will be in our platform.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And if, as soon as they say the living in turn causes back and service, there will be a powerful

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So this is specific platform. It is a platform, enabling that kind of real time information where we can get our hands on.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Will love to get a whole worlds like information like that, just to

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Put up, up, up. And by the way, our platform is completely free and either completely free for any users to use and people with disabilities or the carriers and families want to use it.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: To plan their journey or to find out information right so it's something that we find it's very important for up in most to starting off the system as vision, then turned at this provide that level quality data.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: And in the way that they can consume easily using our assist plugin on our platform.

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Debra Ruh: So, Renee. I, I understand. And I applaud that. It's for free. But how, how are y'all making money because you have to make money to stay in business. So if the app and the information for the end user is free. How do you, is it a sustainable business for you guys.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That is really, really key thing to to to to tackle and and address and we are purpose driven company we're profit making company but purpose. Purpose Driven and what that means that we, our vision.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Is to be able to have this company going off on like, you know, forever, we can to continue doing what we're doing. So we need to make a sustainable business and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Our, our business models around providing those states are for people for businesses or websites.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: To integrate into de into into their websites, for example, right, like access chat and if you have about us. If you have a location.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: By or any any businesses that have locations or or websites have about us page where they can show where the business is going

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Or whether even customers if they are customer facing organizations like supermarkets or hotels or restaurants and bars right we can provide that data streaming into the page and replace the map on their about page with our platform.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So that their businesses wanted once they go on their path toward their businesses grow and build business website, they can find out a nearby accessibility conditions.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Right. So, for example, does a permit in customers want to stay in their permission in a tab in London somehow in bombing example.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: They be able to go like premiering websites they said they check out the, you know, I wouldn't say in this coming in Romania.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: They, they will be able to see on the Premier League plumbing website our platform on their map integrations in the in the websites.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Saying, oh, this is what I'm saying the nearby restaurants here it's wheelchair accessible so i can i think imma die now into that mucho accessible restaurants and cafes or shops, I want to go to all places of interest or leisure leisure parks that I want to go and visit

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Debra Ruh: Good. How does that bring money and for you guys.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So the business will be paying a monthly subscription to 60 miles to provide the information and data depends on you know how many users. They have in some system in the data. What we're providing as well. So that will

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So we will call them not customers and we call them partners in terms of, you know, helping them to achieve that.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Inclusion. If you like for the business, you know, if there were saying that our, our hotel is actually accessible we you know we can see the all aspects of it, it's not it's not accessible, you know, rooms.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Would your users or disabled people visit hotel, not just to stay in a hotel. They, they play no tell for night and they doing things we live our lives right so it's about that.

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Antonio Santos: Just add something interesting right on that point that you were saying booking the hotel. I was talking with

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Antonio Santos: A couple a few months ago here in Ireland and who were one of the members of the family of visibility and do the OH when I booked my holidays. I always go to the same place.

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Antonio Santos: Because I know it's accessible. So I know that I'm going to spend my money, I'm going to have a good experience. I'm not going to take any risk.

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Antonio Santos: Because otherwise I might go into a place that says accessible. And then I reached there and it's not really doesn't do that. My expectations, who you are trying to address precisely precisely that.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Exactly. So, you know, to, to really get that information as well to dress up problem not only to provide this information but provide us information that users can since you

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Easily right on their websites. So we are we are actually launching it accessible taxis on our platform as well. So when people actually on our, on our platform.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: But you know there are options if they would like to do that. They can do that. So in a way that what

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know what city Miles is core value proposition is to improve accessible living by providing personalized

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You know products and services that not only information. So we're providing I was accessible, where should you know it's

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Good to go. But also, how can we get you there. How can we, you know, the applications of data streaming applications of what city masters technologies.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: is immense. I still really feel quite strongly about us, because you can improve the mobility side of things. You can also improve access for housing, for example.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Right now our platform, are they the streaming services can be implemented into zoopla to remove or to any kind of property aggregators

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: To display that property. They said, trying to sell trying to rent their surrounding accessibility conditions because anybody want to move houses or

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: It's a, it's a change of lifestyle, it's a it's a huge decision and you got to know not only, you know, what is the black and white house look like

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You talked about was, you know, Can I actually go to a nearby restaurants without too much hassle. Can I get to my nearby GPS go, you know, health, health care providers.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: That's accessible to me. Can I, you know, can I go to the grocery store next straight that it's accessible to me. It's this kind of level of accessibility information will help people for for access for houses as well for Wednesday market for example.

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Debra Ruh: Excellent point. Because, you know, whenever you are looking for an accessible house. I know I had a friend of mine that was looking for an accessible.

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Debra Ruh: She went to 68 different ones. And a lot of them said they were Ada Americans with Disabilities Act.

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Debra Ruh: Compliant and that she would get there and they would she would say, Okay, you said that you were a DA compliant a bathroom and they said yes, we had there's a bathroom on the second floor that's fully accessible and she's like bright but

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Debra Ruh: Chair. So how do I get to the second floor and the real estate agent said, wow, I never really thought about that. Yeah, I know.

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Debra Ruh: So it's like, sometimes you know it and she still has not been able to find an accessible place in the in Washington, DC, which is the capital of the United States.

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Debra Ruh: is horrible.

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Debra Ruh: It's horrible. So I love that aspect of what you're doing. I think that more and more what city monsters doing we're all going to learn from and it. We talked about smart cities, smart homes and smart communities.

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Debra Ruh: But to really make them accessible to all. You got to dig into it like they're doing it city so I know we're out of time, and I

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Debra Ruh: You know, I want to make sure that I give you the final word. But before we do that, Renee.

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Debra Ruh: We want to thank our supporters. We are just so so thankful to Barclays access to micro link my clear text. They are such wonderful partners and so supportive

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Debra Ruh: Of all of the community of people with disabilities and access chat. We're very, very grateful to them, but I want to make sure before we close the you they will give you the last

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Debra Ruh: Word, but at the same time, will you let the audience know what your website is they're going to find out what your Twitter account is when we do the tweet chat next Tuesday. But let's make sure people know how to, you know, find out more about city mass

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: So thank you, thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed this discussion, because it's very in depth and very close to what we're doing and close to my heart and

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: If you want to find out a bit more about what city masters as an overall umbrella support system as products and services can help you in your family's

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: You can go and check it out in city mass.io so city CIT why am a s.io that's our main website but if you'd like to find out the accessibility informations in your local area where you're going to please go to demo dot city master. I also this the co dot city mass.io and you will find

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Level services so bad across the globe and and feel free to check out our assist plugins as well. If you require some sort of adjustment change around with our platform itself.

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Debra Ruh: Yeah.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Congratulate so much. It's

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Debra Ruh: Very powerful work. So we really, really appreciate what you're doing.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Thank you so much.

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Debra Ruh: For you. Yeah, we're here to support you so

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Thank you.

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Debra Ruh: And thanks to our audience. We appreciate everybody at access chat.

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Antonio Santos: Thank you.

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Rene-CityMaaS.io: Thank you.